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Mike Moschos's avatar

In the specific case of the USA, during the post war decades, some what counter intuitively, the USA was de-democratizing while at the same time democratizing as certain people (like black people in some big areas of the country) who werent given full access, were being granted full access. You touch on things when you write about how its not just about the vote, in the USA, to some extent in its early decades, but mainly from the 1820s until some point after ww2, we used to have genuinely democratic governance structures that granted o just the vote but also direct participation, it did this through formal state structures, but mostly through other things such as policy variability and publicly accessible mass-member political parties. And, again in the case of the USA, in regards to you worrying that the conditions that enable democracy are absent today, the conditions that led to to democracy developing are actually quite similar to the conditions today, and I even overhear young people sometimes making statements regarding the technical-mechanical design of capital markets, back in the 1820s, that is how our story began

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Wim Roffel's avatar

What is democracy? Most people have a very incomplete idea of how the world works. Politics is to a large extent convincing people that what you want to do will work and is beneficial to the country. I once had a teacher who explained democracy as a choice between different sections of the elite. For centuries Western "democracy" was a choice between conservatives and liberals. One representing the landowners and "old money" and the other merchant and industrials. It is a strange phenomena of our times that such distinctions seem to have disappeared. All the main politicians come now from the same networks: WEF, Rhodes and German Marshall scholarships, etc. The bottom-up mechanisms that used to produce politicians no longer work like they used to.

The presence of the Soviet Union and its communism was very beneficial for Western democracy as it proved that another approach was possible. It is possible that China will fulfill a similar role in the future but for the moment too few people take it as a serious alternative.

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