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Tito Botero's avatar

There's one very serious problem with this article -- the idea that the fundamental problem is the "terrorist" Netanyahu. I'm sorry, but it is the whole Israeli society that is "terrorist". Sure, one (but only one) of Netanyahu's motivations may be to save his political career and stay out of jail, but every reliable poll I have seen has shown that the Israeli people are overwhelmingly in favor of his "terrorist" policies.

It is of course a lot easier (and much less courageous) to focus on Netanyahu as the problem, as one can more easily defend oneself against the charges of "anti-semitism" that will inevitably arise if one even dares to suggest that there is a fundamental problem with Israeli society itself. But it is fundamentally incorrect.

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Tony Buck's avatar

The Israelis don't want to be murdered.

How dreadful of them !

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Tito Botero's avatar

So they can preemptively murder whomever they wish?

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Tony Buck's avatar

No, only those who intend to murder Jews.

As Hamas and the Tehran regime are declaredly genocidal in their intentions, they can be targeted with complete legitimacy.

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Jazzme's avatar

Agree👍

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Kojo's avatar

"....but Israel is an ally of the US and the EU..."

I would suggest the picture is different.

The virulently racist zionist axis across Israel-US-Europe, is in control of the policy of all these countries. It's not allyship. There nations are puppeted by transnational interests. Even NATO is a puppet of these interests.

And its not new either. It is this axis, via its fifth-columnists in the US that has marshalled a mass murder spree, killing arabs and other muslim middle easterners and central asians, for two decades and counting now:

https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-09-01/costsofwar

All that didn't happen by mistake - its the work of a whole train of Wolfowitzes, Nulands, Selfdowitzes, Blinkens, etc.

And if you see mass murder going on in Palestine, and death squads unleashed in the west bank, well that's not a mistake either:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/20/2022-10828/in-the-matter-of-the-designation-of-kahane-chai-and-other-aliases-as-a-foreign-terrorist

https://inthesetimes.com/article/from-kahane-to-ben-gvir-israel-far-right-extremism-zionism

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/the-israeli-firebrand-driving-netanyahu-further-to-the-right-dd9e8113

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Lena's avatar

Yes, and I think it will take a LONG time for people to understand, because they are still into Chomskyite delusion that Israel is a state and is somehow useful for the US or Europe.

Israel is only a military tool of World Zionism - or more accurately, World Supremacist Jews who might be neocons, Straussians, transhumanists, Zionists, Chabad members, AIPAC billionaires and magnates, media moguls, illegal arms trade dealers, drug dealers, human sex and organ traffickers, etc.

These are people of specific ideology that sees humanity as their daily fodder, to parasitize upon. And it is not about "Jews", it is about this ideology that people like Epstein, Harari or Adelson represent - and they well include certain Gentile members, who are also eager to feed off humanity. Parasites, mad doninationists, adepts of hegemonism, who believe that not all humans are equal, that some are made to rule and others are made to serve or be a fodder or slaves.

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Tony Buck's avatar

From your description of them, the Zionists sound almost as bad as genocidal criminals like Hamas and the Ayatollah !

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Lena's avatar

Who told you the lunatic nonsense that Hamas party and Iran are "genocidal criminals"? Who did they dispossess, exterminate, bomb, regime-change, impoverish, whose universities, schools, hospitals they have destroyed? Whose homes did they demolish and whose land did they grab to build settlements? What are you talking about? Is it so that actual deeds mean nothing to you, only a fake supremacist narrative about people who refuse to submit to Zionist supremacy and Zionist genocidal intent?

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Tony Buck's avatar

Who told me that Hamas and Iran are genocidal criminals?

Well, Hamas and Iran. Hamas's own constitution commits it to erasing Jews from the Earth; first in Israel, then globally.

The Iran regime's murderous intentions have been on display ever since the 1979 Revolution that brought it to power.

And only lack of sufficient power has prevented Hamas and Iran from doing what Hitler did.

Zionisr supremacy ? Israel is fighting for its life.

Zionist genocidal intent ? No, that is Israel's enemies projecting their own genocidal intentions onto the Jews.

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Lena's avatar

Zionists committing genocide mureedring HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people (mostly kids) in 20 months, apparently are the victims because they are Jews. What a psychopathic attitude. People fighting Zionist military are "terrorists" probably.

You are a Holocaust denier. No difference between a Nazi antisemite and you Just different targets.

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Tony Buck's avatar

There hasn't been a Holocaust in Gaza, therefore I'm not a Holocaust Denier !

Hamas murdered Jewish civilians, and wish to murder millions more. With Iran's help.

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SimonB's avatar

I am still a fan of yours, Thomas, because I agree with a lot of your views. But on Israel and the current ME situation, no likes from me here. I disagree with this article so much, I don't know where to begin.

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Tony Buck's avatar

The Iranian regime are a bunch of theocratic fascists.

They have murdered large numbers of young protestors in Iran.

Yet you seem to have a soft spot for the atrocious theocrats.

Why ?

They're even worse than Trump or Netanyahu.

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Berghmans Peter's avatar

I'm not Italian. Would someone care to explain what Meloni did recently in terms of foreign policy?

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Guard Your Humanity's avatar

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Samson Option (which puts a rather more ominous spin on Merkel’s statement that preserving Israel is a German “Staatsräson“)

https://archive.org/details/Sampson_Option

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts (archived: https://archive.is/qA0LR)

“If the Zionists are ever defeated on the battlefield, they will launch all their nuclear weapons and strike every major city within range. Even their so-called allies will not be spared. The explicit goal of the plan is to kill as many people as possible, essentially blackmailing the entire world into maintaining the Zionist apartheid regime. If the Zionist entity falls, they aim to take the entire world with them.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/ddgeopolitics/p/the-walls-are-falling-on-samson?r=145k0&utm

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Philalethes's avatar

Strange that nobody seems to have noted the juxtaposition of the Israel-Iran and Russia-Ukraine war in the title given to the article.

Actually, those who cared to read the statement issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry (Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs; RTVI.com, June 13) which decries the “unprovoked military strikes on sleeping peaceful cities” and “evil acts that destroy peace,” read like descriptions of Russia’s own aggression against Ukraine

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Adam Bacon's avatar

Do the genocidal statements and actions of the Hamas, Hezbollah, the Ayatollahs et al count for nothing with you myopic people?

There are no good guys in this conflict, Sadly Netanyahu has far superior fire power.

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JBS's avatar

The permastate is dragging Trump into a multi-theater war. And I heard the UK Conservative leader Badenoch (I think she is leader) to have said Israel is fighting a proxy war for its allies, possible in reference to Gaza but the same would go for Iran. This all seems crazy.

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Mikhail Rogov's avatar

It's not just Netanyahu, it's Israel as a whole. Emmanuel Todd has some thoughts about that: https://substack.com/@emmanueltodd/note/p-165773340?r=4pa3

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Jazzme's avatar

Get her out of office NOW.

Turn this around my beloved Italy (esp'ly) southern Italy. Can't wait to visit your beautiful country/people. Kick NATO out and the USA military presence out.

Ciao

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Lena's avatar

It is not "Israel", it is World Zionism (especially in the West) and its military outpost "Israel" as a tool to exercise subjugation and suppression of any sovereignty.

Zionism must be outlawed and "Israel" regime-changed into one state with equal rights for all. As long as it is a military tool of race-supremacy in the region, it will never behave otherwise than starting wars and killing thousands. It has been doing it since 1947 as "Israel" and before that, as gangs of Jewish Zionist terrorists.

It is an ideology of domination and subjugation. That is its nature. It is a form of Nazism. Do we say that the Third Reich's problem was Hitler? Not Nazism itself?

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Kojo's avatar

That's about right. See my comment also...

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Laura Cesaretti's avatar

Sono riusciti a farmi riapprezzare Travaglio!

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james's avatar

what is travaglio?? i am not italian.. thanks..

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Laura Cesaretti's avatar

The author of the article, a well-known Italian journalist - whose writings I generally do not appreciate though

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